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Anthropometrics in APAS/Gait

Dear Aziz:

I am very glad to communicate with you. I am Sun Chung in Seoul. May I
answer your question to Gideon?

> > In the HHm/Anthro item 23/24
> > the Right anterior - posterior ASIS/HJC component (m), what this means?

This anthropometric data can be measured manually. We take a point on the
superior part of greater trochanter(GTroch) by palpation. And draw a
vertical line from the point, "vertical" assuming that the subject are
standing. We measure the shortest distance between this line to the
ipsilateral ASIS. You may have some problem to locate the GTroch point
because it is somewhat blunt. Which point should we choose in this rather
blunt bony landmark? To solve this problem, we may look over the original
article of Roy Davis (Davis RB et al. A gait analysis data collection and
reduction technique. Human movement science 1991(10): 575-587). They took
this GTroch point for the hip joint center in sagittal plane. Dr. Perry
wrote on her book "Gait analysis" that the hip joint center overlies at the
anterior superior margin of the GTroch(Page 368, figure-17.7). So, I usually
recommend to take the anterior point of GTroch. What do you think?

Actually, I do not like this approach (Roy Davis's approach) to estimate hip
joint center.
   1. The measurement(GTroch to ASIS) is too error prone.
   2. The hip joint center in sagittal plane will be influenced by the
amount of femoral anteversion, which varies individually.
   3. As you can see on the article, their data were based on only the
children's pelves.
   4. They did not report any detailed method to take the x ray and
measurement for their estimation.

I had tried to reproduce their result with Korean adult pelves. But failed
to.

I prefer Bell's approach but it is not the best. I hope we can have the best
way to estimate the hip joint center in the near future. 

May I have a question? You said that you use 4 cameras to get HHm marker
set. Do you have any problem to digitize the heel markers? If the answer is
"yes", will you be so kind to share your know-how with me? It was very
difficult for me to digitize the heel markers when I used 4 cameras. I
solved that problem by taking "virtual heel markers".

I hope this would be helpful to you.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

------------------------------------------------------------
Sun G. Chung  M.D., Ph.D.
Full Time Instructor
Dept.Rehab medicine, Seoul National Univ Hospital
28 YeonGeon-dong, ChongRo-gu
Seoul,Korea

(TEL) 82-2-760-3954   (FAX) 82-2-743-7473
email: suncg@plaza.snu.ac.kr




> Hi Aziz:
> Thank you for your message. I am really happy that you like the APASgait.
It
> is really a fantastic system.
>  The three main developers of the system are Dr. Sun Chung, MD, Rudolf
> Buijs, and Erik Simenson, Ph.D.
>  I am forwarging your message to them and I am sure you will receive a
quick
> response. We all very much want to work with you with the APASgait.
>
> Which show all the foundations of our APASgait and the different
> measurement.
> The APASgait price is $5000.  I cannot do too much about it since we pay
> most of it in Royalties. However, I will thorow the Rendere which cost
$1500
> with it for free.
> Check the Renderer at:
>
> /Renderer/index.html
>
> How does this sound?
> Please let me know if you receive the answer.
> All the best and have a nice day
> Gideon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "a.rahmatalla" <a.rahmatalla@keele.ac.uk>
> To: "Gideon Ariel" <gideon@arielnet.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 7:38 AM
> Subject: Re: Gait program
>
>
> > Dear Gideon,
> > After initial problems, gait program seems to work well and I like it. I
> > have tried it with the original Vaughan set, however it work better with
> the
> > HHm and this might be due to the fact that I am using 4 cameras at the
> > moment. My colleague and I are working to evaluate the program on a
sample
> > of subjects and will let you know the outcome soon. I have little
question
> > regading one input which I am not sure about. In the HHm/Anthro item
23/24
> > the Right anterior - posterior ASIS/HJC component (m), what this means?
> how
> > you measure it? does x-ray is needed or is done by an estimation? please
> let
> > me know.
> >
> > The other point I wolud like to raise with you is, since I like this
> program
> > and found it useful, I would like to purchase it as an added module to
my
> > existing APAS. I will leave this for your generosity and judgement to
> decide
> > the price.
> >
> > It is alway pleasure to talk to you. My sincere regards to John and all
> > Ariel crew.
> >
> > Yours sincerely
> > Aziz Rahmatalla
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gideon Ariel <gideon@arielnet.com>
> > To: A. Rahmatalla <a.rahmatalla@orth.keele.ac.uk>
> > Cc: Rudolf J.C. Buijs <buijs@caiw.nl>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: System parameters
> >
> >
> > > Hi Aziz:
> > >  You must download the Java drivers.
> > > Please read at:
> > > /Gait/index.html
> > >
> > > You must un-install any Java drivers and then follow the directions.
> > > The reason for the 60 days is that the Gait is only on trial period of
> 60
> > > days.
> > > This cause the others to respond the same.
> > > However, if you decided to buy or not to buy the Gait program, then
you
> > just
> > > let us know and we will issue you
> > > a permanent site key accordingly.
> > >  The Gait program which is the trial version cause that.
> > > Have a good day
> > > Gideon
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: A. Rahmatalla <a.rahmatalla@orth.keele.ac.uk>
> > > To: <gideon@arielnet.com>
> > > Cc: <osa10@keele.ac.uk>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 9:07 AM
> > > Subject: Re: System parameters
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear gideon
> > > > I have used the site code as usual, It worked only once then problem
> > > > started. Every time I try to open the apas gait, the computer
crashes
> > with
> > > > no response to any command. This does not occur when I use other
> > > programmes
> > > > including other apas modules. The other thing I have noticed is that
> > other
> > > > modules of my existing Apas changed from unlimited licence to 60
days
> > > > trial!. I am sure there must some errors somewhere.  Please let me
if
> > > there
> > > > someone reported similar problems.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yours sincerely
> > > >
> > > > Aziz
> >
>
>

 

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